189: ‘The Rise of the Balkan Architect’, with Milos Temerinski

Member 189: ‘The Rise of the Balkan Architect’, with Milos Temerinski

Evan Troxel: Welcome to the TRXL Podcast. I'm Evan Troxel, and in this episode I welcome Milos Temerinski. You might know him better as the Balkan Architect whose YouTube channel has become a staple resource for Revit tutorials and architectural software knowhow with nearly 700,000 subscribers. Milos is not just a content creator.

He's also a trained architect who started uploading videos while still in school, driven by the simple urge to share what he was learning. That decision turned into a full-time endeavor that has now evolved into a company, a training platform, and a thriving community.

In this episode, we talk about that journey from uploading his first tutorials to becoming a certified Autodesk Training Center. Along the way, Milos shares his thoughts on architecture education, why video is the best medium for learning software, and how creators can teach more effectively by being vulnerable, iterative and consistent. We also get into the world of technical creativity. Yes, creativity even inside Revit, as well as a hacker mentality that many of us have embraced to get things done in software workarounds. Am I right? Today, Melos shares practical insights around how architects can use content to accelerate their careers, grow their influence, and ultimately build sustainable businesses,

something that connects to many other episodes of the podcast is the rising role of YouTube as a vehicle for knowledge transfer in architecture. just like podcasts, video-based learning is dismantling traditional educational gatekeeping and empowering a new generation to learn in the ways that actually work for them. The implications for firm leaders and educators are huge. As usual, there's an extensive amount of additional information on the show notes, so be sure to check them out.

You can find them directly in your podcast app if you're a paid member and if you're a free member, you can find them at the website. Which is tr xl.co. Lastly, you can really help me and the podcast by sharing the episodes with your colleagues and by commenting and sharing my LinkedIn posts.

You can also leave a comment over on YouTube and engage with me and the other listeners and subscribe if you're not already. And of course, subscribe to Milos' Balkan Architect Channel.

I came away from this conversation, inspired to keep showing up and sharing. So without further ado, I bring you my conversation with Milos Temerinski.

Milos, welcome to the podcast. Great to have you.

Milos Temerinski: Yeah. Hello, Evan. I, I am very happy to be here, so thank you.

for having me on.

Evan Troxel: This is gonna be great. I would love it if you would start with kind of your story. where did the Balkan architect, where does this come from? And, and so you, I know you have a history in architecture, right? You're coming at to this as an architect and, and if, for those listeners who don't know, Milos has an amazing YouTube channel.

I wouldn't imagine that people don't know about it. I'm sure, especially during the

pandemic. This is, I,

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: is when I became very aware of what you were doing on YouTube, but I'm sure there's a story to this. So tell me where you're coming from.

Milos Temerinski: Yeah, yeah, definitely. So I have a ma master's degree in architecture. And, uh, Balkan architect is pretty much what they've been doing full-time. Uh. Since even school or my masters and ever, ever since. Uh, so I've always had a passion for YouTube. I was always interested in YouTube.

I think, uh, I'm the kinda the generation that grew up, uh, with YouTube, the, the, the first one. Uh, and uh, yeah, it was always gonna, my natural way of, uh, accessing any type of knowledge is just. Go on YouTube and see if somebody has a, a video to do that. So, uh, I kind of merged my passion for architecture, uh, and my passion for YouTube, and that's how Balkan architect was, was born.

Uh, so yeah. Uh, at, uh, while I was at the university, I, uh, I started learning software. I, uh, I figured that would be the best kinda path forward and, uh, or I started sharing that online first. Uh, I created a, a local, let's say, YouTube channel that was in Serbian, and I was doing tutorials. And then later on I tried out Revit and that kind of exploded.

And here, here we are.

Evan Troxel: Nice. Can you explain what you mean when you say you have a passion for YouTube?

Because I

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: I think I know what you mean,

but I think there's probably an, an older generation who's like, that sounds like

nonsense to me.

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: and, and so explain what, what you

mean by that.

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Yeah, so it was kind of my form of entertainment when I was growing up, uh, during the, the formative years. And, uh, really the, the YouTube format, uh, I guess, resonates with me. I think it resonates with, with many people. And, uh, there is kind of a, um, let's say a YouTuber approach to doing things or to explaining things.

It's not, uh, I wouldn't call it only a video format. Uh, you have, uh, you have a, a, let's say, podcast approach, something like this. You have a TikTok approach, which is very different. And then you have the, the YouTube approach, which is kind of a thing of its own. Uh, so Yeah.

I, I think it's, uh. Can, what, what really drew me in is, uh, because, uh, YouTube is kind of a merger between, at least when it comes to educational content, uh, it, it merges education with entertainment in a way, because when you are posting on YouTube, you are competing with entertainment and you have to be entertaining in order to get those views and in order to, uh, get your videos out there.

So, uh, I I, and that's kind of the, the magic, like, I, I trick people into learning something while they feel like they're entertained.

Evan Troxel: Well, and this is what, to me, what the, the magic of YouTube is that you can learn what you wanna

learn from,

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: to learn it

from. And, and

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: the techniques that you're talking about are the what, that magical

piece, right?

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: really defines who the audience is that you attract. They're, they're coming to you because of the way that you teach and the way that you just

described it, I think it

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: Part of that, it's the way that you teach. It's you're tricking them, like

you said, and,

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: they don't feel

tricked, right? They don't

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm. Yeah, of course.

Evan Troxel: they're showing up because they want to show

up and they're choosing to watch you. And it's not just like, it may be a little bit of a routine, but I don't even see it kind of as a routine.

It's like, like this, something YouTube figured out really well was, was like, like you said, you're competing against entertainment. And

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: why would somebody sit and watch an hour long tutorial

on a really

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: Unless there's a reason, like, and it's the

person teaching it

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: cracked that code?

I mean, this, this is to me, like some of my favorite YouTube channels, like Adam Savage is tested,

right? For example,

Milos Temerinski: Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: but, it's, it's very authentic to who he is. It's the sense that I get, it's not like he's showing up and, and playing a character.

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: a, YouTube persona per se. Maybe it

is a little bit, there

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: examples

of that, right? Where people

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: they're a completely different person on YouTube than they are in real life. But it's those people where you get to a, you get a glimpse, and I think it's not too d different from a podcast like my other

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: been going on for 13 years, right?

And like people show up because we're characters in

their lives.

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: there's all that, that Venn diagram of architecture and personality and, and subjects and all those things that people resonate with. It's really an interesting concept. And, and I think the other thing I want to point out here is that YouTube hasn't been around forever,

right?

I think, what,

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: ish?

I don't know. It

Milos Temerinski: Something like that.

Evan Troxel: something,

like that, right? And so it's like when you say you grew up with YouTube, like before that there was no

YouTube and, and, and then 2007 the iPhone hits and then Android hits and all, and then now you have YouTube in your pocket. There's actually an app on the phone called YouTube back in the day on, on it, it was called video.

I don't know. So it was something like that on the, on the iPhone. And they wrote their own app as a YouTube

v viewer.

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: just put it in your pocket, like it, that

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: available and that, and then this explosion has happened, right? I mean,

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: do you now have on, on your

YouTube channel?

Milos Temerinski: I think it's 680,000 or something like that. Yeah. It's, it's crazy.

Evan Troxel: I, I've got like 700, right? So you're,

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: I'm not a YouTuber,

like I'm a podcaster.

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: think, I still think that there's like a thing where it's like people don't, there

because of the people who

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: to

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: a place for them to see this show. But it, it's, I'm coming

from a different spot,

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: Like you have

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: over half a million subscribers to your, and, and so as a way to get a message out, but also you just talking about the way that this resonance with an audience, it's absolutely incredible. What, what creators who start off on their own

right. Making

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: videos, but that are also entertaining.

There's this huge potential that I,

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: interesting looking at it through an architecture lens,

right?

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Yeah, definitely. I, I think it's the, Yeah. it is the, the personality to kind of. Carries the, the content, uh, in a way, and that, that's why always say that there is a lot more room on, on YouTube. Uh, when people are consistent, they form that audience that relates to them. And, uh. Uh, there's a thing where people feel like they, they know, uh, YouTubers just because you, you spend hours on an, and, uh, it's the same thing with podcasters.

Uh, you feel like they're in the room with you. And then, uh, it, it, I, I know people have told me, like when they meet me in real life, like, I, I already know you, and it's like, you know, my tutorials, you, you don't really know me. But it feels that way just because it's all of that time that you, that you spend and it's, you're interacting with this person.

It's the format, it's the video, and yeah, I, I think it's, it's really powerful. And also as an educational tool, I think not everybody resonates well, uh, with different methods of teaching. So it's nice that you have this diversity on YouTube where you can have all of these different instructors teaching you in different ways, and then you kind of figure out what resonates with you and you go with that.

Evan Troxel: Yeah, it, it, I think it is slowly becoming the primary way in which people consume information, right? Like it's, and, I don't, it doesn't obviously apply to everybody, but for your generation

it's like.

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: Whoa. It's, it's a incredibly powerful force. And, it's also as a, on the creator side of things, I think, like it's constantly changing how

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: the system.

And I, and I wanna point out that like, the number of subscribers, I don't think it actually matters. Like,

and the reason I say that

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: there's people who are like, I wish I started a YouTube channel 10 years ago. Now it's too late.

I don't, it's

Milos Temerinski: No, that's, that's definite. E especially, it's, it's quite different. Uh, be before it was easier in terms of there wasn't, uh, that man that much competition. Uh, but also the YouTube algorithm has changed quite a bit. So, for example, when I got started, yeah, it was the, uh, the subscriber account really mattered.

So how many subscribers you got, YouTube would send notifications whenever new videos come up, they would, uh, give you recommendations. Now it's, uh, working more like the TikTok algorithm in terms of, uh, what's popular and what's good. It's going to be pushed out there. It doesn't matter if it's a channel with a million subscribers or with zero subscribers.

If it's something that people are watching, it's going to push it very hard. So, uh, in a way it's easier from that standpoint, but of course it's harder, uh, in terms of, there's already, I A lot of creators out there. And it's, it's, yeah, it's different. And I, I mean, I look at it, I was lucky in, uh, in, in terms of starting while I was still at school.

And, uh, it, it wasn't like, um, I guess it wasn't, I. Taking away time from, let's say an actual job, uh, or something like that, where when I see somebody that's, let's say 35 years old, they have a child, uh, or something like that, they have to take care of their family. They have to go to work, and then to start a YouTube channel and earn nothing for a year or two or even more, uh, financially, it just doesn't make sense.

So, uh, I I, I was lucky in terms of just starting when I, I can had nothing to lose and nothing competing with that. Uh, especially because I was also, um, it was, uh, I, I'm from Serbia, so here it's uh, the economic situation isn't ideal, especially when I was in school. It was quite terrible after the, the recession and everything in 2008 and it.

Really didn't it, it looked like an obvious thing to invest your time in because the alternative, the getting a a, a kind of a first job was just ridiculously low paid. That YouTube kind of made sense.

Evan Troxel: Yeah. That's interesting. And I, I, I feel like, uh. Man, there's just so many things that I'm but I don't think I should assume for the audience, because a lot of reasons, additional reasons, additional value that having content on YouTube will bring to you. And I think it is kind of

a long game

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: It it, you have to, you can't just like throw something up and say, well, nobody,

nobody watched it, so I'm

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: Right? It's, it's one of those things where you need a long-term strategy that plays back into kind of these additional values that come out over time. And, and again, like I wanna reinforce, it doesn't really matter how many subscribers you have.

I, I mean, I don't know what your numbers look like, but, but it's something like 50 probably to 80% of people who watch your channel are not

subscribers at all. Like

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: seeing, people are seeing your video, but they're not subscribing. And so the actual subscriber number isn't an indicator of the impact that you can have on YouTube and.

By having this stuff being, first of all, you're getting better at media production. Just by

doing it right, you're

Milos Temerinski: Yeah,

Evan Troxel: you, you have to force yourself to get into a routine of making stuff. It doesn't have to be

perfect,

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: be polished. It needs to be, to have the right content at least to start with, and then you can slowly evolve that over time.

But the additional, what are the additional values that you see come out of having a presence on YouTube and, and other social media?

Milos Temerinski: Yeah, I, I think it's, it's really powerful just to put yourself out there. Um. I think in today's kind of economy and just the, the way or the place where internet is right now, uh, I I think it makes absolutely a hundred percent, it makes sense to have some sort of an online presence in terms of your career just because it's, it's going to open up so many doors.

Uh, I see people they can get perhaps discouraged if they upload the video and it. only gets 50 views, but it's like 50 people actually clicked and watched. If you saw 50 people in a room, you wouldn't feel like, oh no, nobody came to my video. Yeah, Yeah. yeah. It's, it's, it's incredibly powerful and Yeah.

you, you learn so much.

Um, just. I think it's, it's also a thing where you, when you learn a new skill, it helps you with pretty much everything in your life. Uh, it makes every other new skill easier to learn. So I think, uh, just figuring out, okay, how do I do this, this YouTube thing? Okay, so I have to record the video. So I need recording software.

I need a camera. Okay, I need to edit that somehow. So how do I do that? How do I upload it? What, what should I take care of? What's the thumbnail? How does this even work? And, and all of that. I think it's a very powerful kind of learning experience, uh, on one hand, and as you, as you've mentioned, you get better over time.

Uh, I, I was lucky in a way where. Uh, when I got started, uh, YouTube was very, pretty much prioritizing channels that upload every day. So It the idea was, uh, you had these kind of daily vloggers and people would tune in to YouTube every day just to see their latest video.

Evan Troxel: prime

Milos Temerinski: Yeah,

Evan Troxel: right? It every

Milos Temerinski: yeah, exactly.

Evan Troxel: like 800 and something days. It, it was a huge

number of, of

Milos Temerinski: Yeah, that's that's great.

Evan Troxel: Absolutely

insane.

Milos Temerinski: Yeah. Yeah. And, and I was getting started during that time, so I thought, okay, I guess we're doing daily rabbit tutorials, and those didn't really look good. Uh, some, some of them were like two minute tutorials, some of them were 20 minute tutorials. But just from having That routine, you wake up, okay, I have to figure out an idea.

I have to record it by 10 o'clock, and then I have to go to school and just doing this day after day after day if I want to go on a trip. Okay. You have. to prepare 10 videos in advance before you go on a trip or. Yeah. I don't know. I, uh, I, I know that there, there are aren't really any penalties apart from the view count going down a little bit, but I took that seriously and I did it and, uh, uh, I grew so much as a creator, as my, my English got so much better just during that time, and Yeah.

I I became a lot more natural in front of the camera.

It's, it's really hard starting out. Talking to a camera can be very uncomfortable for most people, but it gets. So much, uh, so much easier over time. And then on the other hand, you have the, the online presence and people start reaching out to you. And people, uh, as I said, they, they feel like they know you and they're, they say, okay, we need an architect who knows Revit Well, I feel like I know that guy.

And it's, it's, it's just like saying, okay, do you have a recommendation to your, let's say to your employee, we need another. Rev guy, do you know somebody? And you're way more likely to trust, uh, that connection, uh,

Evan Troxel: That

Milos Temerinski: of your employee recommending some, somebody then that you're going to just put on, put an ad out and somebody calls in and you're like, okay, I, I don't know anything about you.

So when people feel like they know you, they're more likely to give you opportunities. And I got so many job offers, freelance work offers, uh, stuff like that, which, uh, I had to, most of them I had to decline just because I was still studying. And then later on, I, I, I wanted to do this YouTube thing full time.

But yeah, it was, uh, so, so many opportunities opened up really quickly as my channel grew.

Evan Troxel: I think of the title YouTuber, right? I'm

using air quotes.

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: Um, and, and I'm sure you, you, you've probably said that to people like you're a YouTuber,

you're an educator, you

Milos Temerinski: Yeah, it,

it, it's getting weird now that Balkan architect is kind of a, a company, so it's, uh, it's hard to just say YouTuber, but it's so many, yeah. Different things, But yeah. Mainly YouTuber. Yeah. Yeah.

Evan Troxel: and, and

Milos Temerinski: I'm mainly known as a YouTuber

Evan Troxel: and it's like, what does that, what imagery does that bring up in, in, if you had 10 people in a room and you said, okay, if, when I say I'm a YouTuber, what does that mean to you? What does that mean to you? And it would be something

different. Like they would probably have

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: And I'm

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: if anybody would say like, um, Revit teacher, I.

Um,

Milos Temerinski: I, I don't think that many.

Yeah. Yeah.

Evan Troxel: it, right? And it's like you teach people, architects how to use the, the main software that they're going to use to deliver projects.

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: YouTube is your platform and your delivery mechanism.

Right.

And,

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Evan Troxel: on the internet and that means that anybody can get to this for the most

part. And so

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: I'm curious from your point of view, like what have, what, what have people, uh, what, when you say you're a YouTuber, what. Did they make a funny face? I mean, because again, like in the profession of architecture, you're a YouTuber.

I mean,

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: and

like that well,

Milos Temerinski: It's weird.

Evan Troxel: until some point, like that was never

a thing. And, And, it's

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: like I'm a podcaster. Uh, again, it's like, well, yeah. So is everybody else? Well, no, not,

not. Okay. I, I think I have a, I think I do it a little differently. Um, but yeah, a lot of people during the pandemic especially became YouTubers and podcasters, and then it just, it it died.

Right? Like they, they couldn't hang onto

it. They didn't want, maybe they didn't want to. Maybe it wasn't right for them. I'm not saying it's right for

everybody,

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: like, what is the feedback that you get when you tell people you're a YouTuber?

Milos Temerinski: Uh, so I think most people are just interested in like, how does that work? Yeah. Uh. Honestly, most people ask like, how do you actually make money from it? Like, is that your job? Or like, do you have a job? And then

Evan Troxel: Mm.

Milos Temerinski: as a hobby?

So that's kind of what I mostly get and Yeah.

But when it comes to people from the architectural world, they're like, oh, that's, that's so cool.

It's like very interesting to, to see somebody taking this path and something that they've noticed. I don't know if this is something that kind of started with soon or was this always a thing, but so many people that uh, that that finish architecture, they get their master's degree or bachelor's degree, they do something that's kind of tangent to architecture, but not necessarily.

Working on, on projects and designing things. Uh, it's some, something else in the, in the field, uh, and something different. So I, I see a lot of people doing different things. So perhaps now It's not so controversial or not so weird that you're a podcast or a YouTube or, uh, in, in this field. Uh, and there's of course, uh, uh, uh, always somebody that says, so what you do, like, pranks and annoying stuff.

You harass people on the street

Evan Troxel: It's like,

Milos Temerinski: views.

Evan Troxel: YouTube? Do you have any cha? Like, like, yeah. That, that to me means that you, that's not your, that's not your

platform that you

Milos Temerinski: Yeah,

Evan Troxel: things on. Yeah. When people say something like that. Yeah, because it's like cat

videos, right? That's what YouTube

Milos Temerinski: yeah.

Evan Troxel: people.

Yeah.

That's what it is

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: Right? Uh, that's the interesting thing about YouTube is there's absolutely everything on there and algorithmically and as far as like exposure goes, you are competing with literally everything out there. And then in your niche, like if people actually started searching for something, right?

There's a difference between searching for something and, and YouTube. I mean, this is something that Google and YouTube have absolutely cracked, right? Which is. Search.

I mean, if,

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: how many times nowadays do you go to YouTube first to search for how to do something? Or it, it could be, it could be any number of, of May.

Maybe it's not how to, I, I guess my

point here, but I think a

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: it, it actually

is,

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: easily falls into that category or architectural software. Let's just put it in, in a broader category, right? It's like,

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: like YouTube's the way to go because architects are

visual

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: we want to see how it's done addition to maybe being entertained along the way,

right?

Milos Temerinski: Yeah. I, I, I feel it's kind of like if you're sitting in a room with somebody and you ask them like. Ask them something, if they answer verbally just to tell you the answer, then it's something that you can Google or ask chat GPT or whatever. If it's something that they show you, it probably belongs on YouTube as a, as a video.

Just because it has that, yeah, that visual side. And I think a lot of people, uh, learn a lot better when they, they're shown things as opposed to reading or, yeah. Learning that way.

Evan Troxel: One of my favorite new YouTube hacks, I don't think it's available on every video, but I see it like in the YouTube app on my phone, is you can ask AI just to summarize the

video for you because

Milos Temerinski: Oh, yeah.

Evan Troxel: there's a 40 minute video that literally could be explained in five minutes, right? Instead, and, and it's, uh, that's pretty.

Pretty important I think. And with, because of ai now, some of the developments in the video space, I found one today where it's like this really in depth way that AI approaches video to, they, they call it like control F for video. Right. And this is, this is a, a great thing, right? Especially in the tutorial world where videos do tend to be

longer.

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: the part I I, I know I saw it. I know I

heard it? Where was

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: finding that in the video, more than just based on a

transcript with timestamps. Um, this,

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: actually taking it to new levels. I think this is gonna be an incredibly powerful platform to be on. And, and I'm curious your take when it comes to, uh, like this whole idea of, I'm, I'm, I'm.

Formulating this idea where, and and you've probably heard this too, uh, which is like, well, architecture firms are actually technology companies. They just happen to do

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: I think you've probably heard that, right? And, and now I, I kind of actually think it's, it's more on the media side of things, and this is, maybe I, I'm biased because I make a lot of media, but a media company, right?

Like the Balkan

Milos Temerinski: All right. I guess.

Evan Troxel: right? And you, you, you, you have a, a way that you do this, you, you, you have platforms that you focus on, and you have a delivery mechanism that is YouTube, but like you're, you're creating your main deliverable in, in addition to information is media. Like, and it's how

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: consume.

I'm, I'm just curious, like, what, what do you think of in today's day and age about like media being, media first?

Obviously it opens

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: for people that they never, you, you didn't come outta grad school. Maybe you did because you were doing it in grad school, but you're like, I'm, I'm gonna be a YouTuber.

No, you never, you probably never said that. Right. And so, but nowadays it's like, this is just

what you do, this is how you do

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: And, and I'm curious when it comes to, like thinking media first, what does that bring up for you?

Milos Temerinski: Yeah. Yeah. Uh, I think it's definitely a powerful way to think, um, when I see, especially in architecture world, uh, when I see local companies and what's considered, let's say, a good company or a not so good company, it's mostly kinda that media presence and just marketing in a, in a, in a way. And, um, you have a, you have these new companies pop up and they do, let's say interior design, and they have videos showing their work.

They have kind of interactive ways of explaining things. They, they, they teach you what they're doing. It's not like, oh, this is what we've done. It's like, okay, let me explain why what we have done here is actually really good.

Evan Troxel: Yeah,

I,

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: that's so

powerful, right? Because like you said, when you, you might meet somebody in real life and they're like, I feel like I know you. I. They, they know how

you, how you, teach and things that you think that specifically relate to the subjects you're talking about.

But if there's, if you're explaining on video, how you think as a designer or as a firm or why your approach, why you approach this project this way. Like I recently listened to a podcast, Rick Rubin's podcast, he's

famous music

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: um, wrote a great book, I think he's called The Creative Act. And now he has a podcast called Tetragrammaton.

I

don't know what that means, but

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: really cool.

And he

Milos Temerinski: Sounds cool.

Evan Troxel: part interview with Bjork

Les of

Milos Temerinski: Oh.

Evan Troxel: Engles Group. And it was such a powerful, because it's long

form right? Podcast, I think this podcast, many podcasts by nature are long form and long form like us having this conversation Way more layers to the onion than you would get in a polished media piece, right? Where it's gone through all the wordsmithing and the color grading and the sound mastering and all of those things to produce unquote perfect media. This is not that. This allows us to go in depth, and I felt like it was su, it was such an incredible way to get to know Bianca Ingles better because he, he's not preparing an agenda, a talking

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: It's literally like this, a conversation. We prepared no talking

points before this, and

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: us to go wherever we want to go. And, that to me is like, oh, I feel like I know Bjork Ingles better. He, he doesn't know me, right, but I know him better. And that to me builds like I, I am going to think of him before I think of another architect when it comes at least to like, I like the way he thinks, for example.

Milos Temerinski: Yeah. Yeah. I I, I mean, it's, it's really powerful to, to see that, like how, how somebody gets to a certain idea and kind of thinking out loud. I, I think that's, that's, that's very powerful and especially in the, the podcasting world. That's, that's what it's all about. It's seeing how impressive people actually think

Evan Troxel: Mm.

Milos Temerinski: and, um, you can see, see them and, and it's kind of something that they've noticed.

At least that's, that's something that I always feel like when I'm watching a podcast. You can see when the guest is, they have kind of their talking points, and then when somebody asks them a question, they, you can see them kind of immediately jump into this, mode. Like, okay, I have this, this is the question, I have this answer.

And it's, yeah, it's completely algorithmic. And then you see people that can. Take a moment to think about it, like, oh, yeah. Interesting. Yeah. I, I, I guess I would approach it this way and it's so much more powerful and, uh, and interesting. And, and, and you feel like that person is way more genuine, uh, in the, in the way that they're talking or presenting themselves, uh, as opposed to just having those prepared talking points and just going like, ba, ba, ba, just one after the other.

Evan Troxel: Yeah. And, and then again, bringing it back to YouTube, this kind of visual portion, this other layer of information as an architect, being able to show

imagery, being able to

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: capturing that, and, and as a, as a superpower that a lot of architects have right to sketch ideas in real time as they're thinking out loud and like talking through it a really powerful form of communication and this is a great way to deliver that information.

Again, it's, it's a form of marketing, but I wouldn't call it marketing. Right? It's, and I, I wouldn't call it thought leadership, it's just like. You put it out there so that people could, like, there's an opportunity for them to see behind the scenes, the process, the way you think, like you put it, that's so powerful.

And when the opportunity arises, this is the marketing part where when somebody actually needs something and they've seen that because it exists, it's out there on the internet and they could be looking for it and they could have seen your video. the one that they

think of. And that

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: is, just kind of a new of the puzzle to today's media marketing, advertising game and, and YouTube totally is a

game, right?

It, it's

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

yeah.

Evan Troxel: constantly trying to figure it

out.

Milos Temerinski: It's like, uh, I, I think the word sharing is, uh, fits very well. It's if you try not to make it too, uh, try not to, uh, that that's something that I'm working on. I, uh, just from my experience, uh, in school and everything, I always thought if you're teaching something, you have to be very composed.

You have to be very structured, you know, like, oh, and this, and this and that. And it's very kind of in, in a very strict manner. Uh, and that's, I guess good in a way, but also, uh, it can takes away a whole bit of that, uh, sharing side where it's like, okay, I found out.

about this. What do you think about it? Uh, and, and, and it's like, uh, this process where the audience is, you're breaking that through.

Uh. Fourth wall. Yeah. fourth wall.

Uh, and your, the audience is engaging in, in the comments section and telling you, oh, you've, this is okay, but you can perhaps do something as a, a little bit different. I found this solution. Well that doesn't work in my area because we have this code and we have to do it different and so on.

So I feel like that's, that's very powerful and I always find it hard. I, I feel like I am kinda letting down my guard whenever I talk that way, but also I understand that it's the, uh, I guess it's the, even though it feels a bit w vulnerable, uh, uh, it also, uh, is the most genuine way to, to share knowledge and to interact with your audience.

Evan Troxel: Yeah, there's definitely a trend. I've noticed this with my own work that. You mentioned it a minute ago, which was like that, uh, contemplative pause when somebody asks you something that you're not prepared to

answer for, for example. I mean, it's not like it's out of bounds, right? It's like, oh yeah. Um, and I think there used to be kind of a, in my mind at least, uh, like I need to edit that down.

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: And, I think now speaking to what you're talking about here too, what comes to mind is like, okay, a bug pops up you have to deal with it before you can move on when you're doing a software demo. Like,

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: actually that's real

life like that,

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: to everybody all the time. How do you deal with that?

And then you're showing that like, that's authentic the experience of using these con complicated

pieces of software that we have to

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: deliver our, our projects. so. Now, I don't edit those pauses down. And I, if I'm doing a training, you don't have to cut those pieces out because you don't have to describe a perfect experience because nobody has a perfect experience and you, it's a teaching opportunity.

And it is just like, when I used to teach in the university, I would, I would teach Revit, I would teach technology tools. can't edit that out. It's

live. It's right

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: Everybody's watching. And they want to see what do you do in those situations, because everybody has these situations all the time, it's a great opportunity.

And I actually think that's a great training ground for right? Which is just do it in front of people. Do the thing that you want to do and capture it right there. And I, I think this also gets back to another point that I wanna make, I'm sorry,

I'm going on for a second

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: like this idea that, that, um, you can capture this stuff for, for those who aren't on YouTube or aren't doing this, you can capture this stuff.

You don't have to

post it.

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: we did many podcasts on cus speak before we posted the first one as practice podcasts. And it just starts to get you in the rhythm of it and then you know what you need to do to get a little bit better. And then you try that and then you, you keep this cycle going so that you get better and better and better.

And then you get to a point where you're like, okay, now I can put, start putting 'em out there. They don't, again, they don't have to be perfect. They have to be good enough will naturally get better at these things over time. But I, I'm curious your experience like with editing and polishing and doing all that stuff, where, how has that evolved for you over time?

Milos Temerinski: Uh, so when it comes to, um, just if, if I can just go, uh, one step back. You, you mentioned something and it kind of triggered a, a, a thought, uh, something that I found when I was, uh, at university or even at high school, I would learn, uh, best when I, uh, pretended like I'm the teacher explaining this to somebody.

That was my kind of thing. I would do this kind of role play in my head and I'm teaching the biology lesson today, and that's how, how I would prepare for the test. And, uh, I think that's very powerful, uh, when it comes to learning software. Like you might, uh, learn something once, uh, but uh, it's, as you said, software today is so complicated.

You'll. Forget about it in six months, and you will not, again, you'll have to search for that solution. So just going through that and just recording it, at least for yourself, it can be really, really powerful. Uh, so Yeah.

Now getting back to your actual question, You said about the editing process and how, how, how did that evolve and what did I learn?

Right?

Yeah. So at first my editing process was very poor, just because I didn't know how to use the tools very well. So, uh, it was just kind of record and if I make a mistake, I stop and then I start over until I have like a five minute video with no mistakes or slight mistakes. And then kind of slowly as I learned the basics, I, I started editing out the mistakes or I could.

Make a pause for myself, or if I, if I am, if I perhaps wrote down how I want to explain a specific thing, I can then stop, look at that, then re record, continue recording and, and so on. So it did kind of evolve from this very kinda rigid, scared, position it first to becoming a bit more comfortable. And then I would, uh, I I could edit out any mistakes or pauses.

Evan Troxel: you know, you know, there's a, there's a, a net that you can

yeah. Use when

Milos Temerinski: yeah. You're, you're,

Evan Troxel: a

Milos Temerinski: you're, you're safe.

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Uh, I do, uh, however, can feel, uh, like I'm constantly thinking about, okay, do I want to. Explain this a bit further, or do we want to keep it very simple and straightforward? This is something that,

uh, is, is I, I guess, controversial on my channel where people are some, uh, sometimes get angry about, uh, let's say show a workflow and then they say, okay, but that doesn't work.

My bi manager would fire me if I did something like that, or, and so on. And then other people are commenting, oh, oh my God, this saved my life. I, I had this project due and I finished it and it was perfect, and so on. So it, it kind of feels a bit weird because different people have different expectations. you, have so many different workflows, and do I explain all of that in the video, but then the video is way too long and nobody would watch it? Or do I explain it very short? So now I'm. Trying to kinda keep the long form stuff and kind showing everything slowly, step by step for the, to pay the audience on the website.

Now we're even doing live sessions and uh, and so on. So that's very powerful and I, I was very scared of that at first, but now I am, it, it feels so good to share something, something with the community, and then people, they, they ask questions and, and, and all of that, and it's, it's really fun. But then YouTube is more for things like, I.

Um, as you said, with that AI that can kinda search through your video, I try to make my videos like very, um, search engine optimized and very, like, not search engine optimized, more just search optimized. Okay, I have this problem, I need a solution. I go to YouTube, Balkan architect as the solution. So I try to make it, in a way where it's very simple and straightforward, and then if you want this more kind of chill approach where you're not, uh, strictly learn, uh, searching for a quick answer to a, a question, you're, you're ready to kind of learn and relax while we have a different kind of avenue for that.

And I, I'm thinking about doing some live sessions on YouTube as well. I think that would be really powerful.

Evan Troxel: Yeah.

Milos Temerinski: I just haven't gotten to it yet, I guess.

Evan Troxel: How do you do that search optimization that you're talking about? Do you break things into chapters? Do you break out

separate videos? Is it really in the description? Like how, how are you actually going about accomplishing that?

Milos Temerinski: Uh, yeah. Uh, I definitely try to, um, do the, the timestamps and I try to make each part of the video kind of make sense within that timestamp. So if you look at the video, that's a 10 minute video and we have a two minute timestamp. I try to have that timestamp kind of work on its own. If somebody comes, let's say I'm doing a.

Roof, and it's like a complex roof, and then I have a timestamp like dormer. If you're just searching for a dormer tutorial, those two minutes would kinda give you the answer. So I try to kinda structure it in that way. And also it's a lot of trial and error. Uh, I, I have over a thousand videos so far and it starts to feel at some point, like I really have nothing new to say apart from the kind of the new features that come out.

But then I realized at one point like, okay, I have all of these old videos that I'm not happy with. I. The way that they, they, they turned out. I'm a lot more confident now. I know a lot of new things. Revit has changed a little bit since then. The ICON's are different. Maybe something is in a different place.

Why not try to improve that video and upload it again in a kinda shorter, uh, much more, uh, higher quality content type of way. So, uh, I try that and in, in a lot of cases, it turns out very well, and then I can, I, I forget about it because it feels very uncomfortable to upload something for the second time, uh, or the same topic.

Obviously it's a new video, but it, it kind of feels weird. I dunno. Maybe It's just, a, a meeting, but, yeah.

Evan Troxel: is be, and I'll tell you

why it's it, uh,

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: man, the same topics have come up on ar, my Arch Speak podcast over and over again. And it's like, you don't even remem I don't remember if we've talked about it or not. I'm sure we have. but there's a new

audience a lot

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: too, right?

And they've never heard it before. And so there might be the people who have been the loyal listeners or watchers for years and years and years and they're like, again, and, and it's like. so sorry, not sorry. Because there's a new, there's new people that show up and they don't know, and maybe you've changed your

approach a little

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: and that, I think is, is an interesting piece of the evolution of a channel as well.

Like, I definitely think differently about certain things than I used to. And that starts to work its way into the content that you present on the channel. And that becomes part of the

journey of the

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: as a, total body of work. Not independent episodes. Like I don't think, I think one of the, the, the real interesting points about doing these kinds of things that you and I are doing it really is about the big picture

of creating all of the content over a longer period of time.

That's a journey that we're going on and our audience is going on with us. People are picking it up at different points along the timeline. It's not about the specific episode and whether it was perfect, and it's not about whether you, your opinion on something at that moment. Like, like those things happen, but that this is like, just like

life, right? Things

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: but it's really about the whole life. It's not just the right

now or the, the,

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: the one that was three episodes ago anymore. Um,

I don't know,

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: kind of bigger existential, uh, concepts that we're thinking of

here.

Milos Temerinski: Yeah, Uh, it's, uh, one thing that kind of proves me wrong every time I think, like perhaps people are going to get angry if I upload a siMilosr topic twice, is that, um, a lot of people that can get our courses or get consultations, they say, oh, I've been watching your channel for years, and they didn't know you have the website.

And it's like, I say that in every single video in the beginning of the video, in the end of the video, and people just kind of miss that. They're just looking for one specific thing. And it's okay. I mean, we all consume media that way because there's so much of it

Evan Troxel: Yeah,

Milos Temerinski: there. There's not enough lifetimes to To watch it all.

Evan Troxel: the

Milos Temerinski: Yeah,

Evan Troxel: have time to read the article. How many

times you, yeah. All the

Milos Temerinski: exactly. Yeah.

Evan Troxel: Well, one of the other things that, okay, so we can stop talking about YouTube here in a minute, but one of the things that, that is really incredible is the comments in YouTube, and you brought it up, right?

It's, it's like this, I I, there used to be, I mean, YouTube used to be. fire when it came to con comments.

Right. But

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: like, I don't know, in the last few years at least, like they've gotten incredibly good at weeding out the junk and just, and I think for the most part you said you do get some comments that are like really

critical or,

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: negative or whatever, of course, right?

Because you're putting things on the internet

and people are gonna do

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: on the internet and, and these are examples of the, the downside of putting things on the internet. But um, the same time, like when it comes to content, like you could go to your comments and get

ideas for content,

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm. Yeah, all the time.

Evan Troxel: incredible the feedback mechanism that is generally in the positive category through the YouTube comment system.

Milos Temerinski: Yeah. Yeah. De definitely. I think it's, it's really powerful. The problem is sometimes just filtering through all of the comments.

Evan Troxel: Well, with,

Milos Temerinski: Something Yeah,

Evan Troxel: you're just throwing shade now, like you've, because 'cause you have so many, so many subscribers.

have a lot

Milos Temerinski: yeah,

Evan Troxel: Yeah.

Milos Temerinski: Yeah. It, it, it can get, especially now we're across multiple platforms, so just even just going through direct messages is next to impossible and, uh, uh. It, it's kind of hard sometimes just because you, you know, that there are some genuine, interesting conversations, uh, that that can start, but you just don't have the time to,

uh, to, to, to just read through them all and filter it down to see like what makes sense to answer and what doesn't.

Uh, at least that's, I, guess, that's the, uh, that's a problem and uh, the platform reaches a certain size. Uh, but yeah, I think it's, it's very powerful. Like people who. Leave comments. And I, I, for example, with, uh, Gavin, the Ozzy BIM guru, he, I did a tutorial on, on something, and then he create, he, he, he left a comment.

He was like, oh, uh, I wouldn't recommend doing this this way. And just because of this and that. And then he created his own video, uh, on that topic. And then, uh, let's say a year or two later, I created a new video, kind of, uh, fixing the, the old one, uh, according to his tips. And, uh, I think I mentioned that.

And it's, I think it's this nice kind of back and forth where, uh, you can really, um, you can really learn a lot through the, through the comments. And also people give, give, give good ideas in terms of the, the content they can, that they can make. For example, my favorite is the, the, the comment that they always get is like, can you show how to model.

X, y, z building in Revit, and I always select it, I Google it, and if it's something that's interesting, uh, uh, I can use it for a tutorial. So it's, it's really helpful. And of course, people kind of correct your mistakes or point out different workflows and, uh, I think that's really good.

Evan Troxel: Yeah. You can't cover all the bases and I, it, what's interesting to me is that. You can get better together on a platform like

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: mean, you don't have to be near each other. You don't have to be in the same office. You don't have to be on the same team, can still get better together. And, and so yeah, maybe it wasn't perfect.

Maybe you learn something

through the comment.

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: them to make a video. And let's just, let's just throw out, shout out to Gavin

because he leaves genuinely

great

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: YouTube content that he watches.

Right. And, and I

Milos Temerinski: Yeah. Yeah, he's

Evan Troxel: that

Milos Temerinski: good.

Evan Troxel: like more of that. Please, I, that is it.

It's absolutely wonderful.

Milos Temerinski: Yeah, it's, it's really good to have people out there that are willing to take the time and, uh, and can help out and or join the conversation and, and add something insightful.

Evan Troxel: Formulate a

thought and Yeah.

Milos Temerinski: yeah.

Evan Troxel: and then, oh, that's amazing. Right, because most people don't take the

time to do that. I mean,

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: are, I'm busy. I don't, I don't leave many thoughtful comments, but I think it's better than just throwing, throwing poop at somebody's video,

right. Because like, who

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: It's, it's not that, that is a waste of

time. I think it's

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: can't believe you took the time to leave that comment.

Right. And just

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: again, internet, doing internet

things. Right. That,

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: So, okay. So let's move on from, from YouTube and let's just talk about kind of

teaching approach and technology, teaching technology and the importance of that.

What, why did you end up focusing on this content?

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Uh, so I, per personally, I found, uh, video the, the best way to, to share knowledge, especially when it comes to software and also like just DIY things ar around the house or something like that. So, and also, as I mentioned, I had this passion for YouTube, so I, I always felt like video is a very good, um, approach or method to, to share knowledge.

Uh, I was very frustrated at school. Uh, I, I don't know how other universities are, but my university, for example, uh. I think I've spent more time just in hallways waiting for the professor or teaching assistant who's late and then waiting in line in front of or behind 40 other students to get like a five minute comment.

And then you get to class and It's like, I didn't tell you to do this, or something like that. And just a lot of waste, uh, in terms of the time. And I just felt like my time wasn't respected at all, uh, at the university and so many things. Like I even remember like professors, you can see that they don't really care.

They're, they, they're there to just do their job. We're there just to do our job and it's like we're just pretending to do.

Evan Troxel: It's really

Milos Temerinski: Yeah, very transactional. like teaching is like the last thing that anybody's interested, uh, in there. Of course there are wonderful examples at my university where I learned so many good things and was inspired, but also there were a lot of these examples where it's just, just horrible time management and, uh, just horrible way to learn.

So I always thought that on demand video is the best way to learn because it's, it's video, so it explain things. It's also video, so it allows you to edit things in a way that's, uh, a bit more efficient than a, a person just speaking off the top of their mind. And, uh. Yeah.

So I, I, I always thought that was, that was really powerful and, uh, uh, I, I was watching some courses, I think it was back then was like linda.com or something like that, uh, uh, uh, Paul F Hop and, uh, was there, and I, I can't remember the other name, uh, of the other instructor, but I, I, I learned Revit partially through those courses, and I thought, okay, I, I love their job.

I wanna try to do this. And yeah. And I was doing tutoring at school, uh, just to make some extra income. And Yeah.

I, I, I really fell in love with that teaching people and then seeing them have that aha moment, like, oh, you can do That

Evan Troxel: Yes.

Milos Temerinski: so incredible. And when, yeah.

Uh, very much. It's addictive when you feel it.

And it's also addictive when You sh sh show somebody and then they feel it and, and you're like the, the gatekeeper of this incredible knowledge. And it, or perhaps gatekeeper is wrong word, but Yeah. You're the,

uh, the, the sharer,

Evan Troxel: that? Yeah.

Milos Temerinski: the source, I guess. Yeah.

Evan Troxel: That's cool. I, and, and so when you did, did you distinctly pick Revit

when you began

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: thing as like, I'm, I'm going to focus on this. Were you searching for something that you felt like, or like, like where did that

actually, that

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: that specificity of that subject come

in?

Milos Temerinski: Yeah, of course. So, uh, when I was at, at school, uh, the, the economy was terrible and I was very.

I think it was 2014 when I joined and

there was this thing where professors and teaching assistants were telling us like, there's absolutely no work. Like, don't even bother. Uh, I dunno What you're doing here. So that was kind of the attitude.

Uh, and that got me really scared and I thought like, how do I differentiate myself in the, in the, in the workplace? How do I make myself a better employee, potential employee, uh, better candidate? So I thought like, well, uh, there is this, I. Software thing. And people at the university who are better at specific software are get better grades.

They finish their projects easier, uh, just it's a lot smoother for them compared to people that don't know how to use software very well. So for me, like learning software was the way to go to just get a decent first job out of school. So I, I already, in high school, I learned AutoCAD because I was in this kind of like technical high school, uh, for construction.

So I learned AutoCAD, uh, I knew the basics. So then, uh, when I got to university, I learned Photoshop and Illustrator. And then, uh, I was like, okay, I need a 3D software. So I learned a little bit of SketchUp, a little bit of three DS max, but it was nothing that I was very happy with. And then, uh, when I figured out that there's this?

rabbit thing that's supposedly the future and how it works.

Uh, it immediately like clicked for me. It was like, Okay.

that's what they need to learn. That's the future. And, uh, at that time, a lot of professors at the university were very, um, judgmental of, of me for using Revit just because it does constrain you when you don't know how to use it at first, and I didn't.

So it does constrain you quite a bit when it comes to the shapes that you can create compared to, let's say, a SketchUp, uh, or just CAD that other students were using. So, uh, my, uh. My projects looked, uh, I guess a bit too rty for them. Uh, but I kind of felt like there is a way to kinda push through this and, and learn it.

And I did over the years, or it took me like two, three years to get really good at it. And then I was constantly, because I got so good at these different software, I was constantly, uh, answering questions for other people in school. Like, Oh, I have this thing. How do I make these lines thicker? How do I change this?

How do I make that roof and so on? How do I export out of the software? And, uh, that's how I kind of started doing tutoring for the younger students. And then, uh, I wanted to do some sort of marketing campaign for myself. And also, uh, as I said, I, I loved these tutorials and courses and I thought like, I, I wanna do that for.

On my own. And I made this AutoCAT course, uh, that was very successful. Uh, so it's in Serbian language. It's, I think it's Belgrade or something like that. The, the YouTube channel. It's still out there. And, uh, Yeah.

so that was successful. However, I, I didn't really get any new clients, but I did start, uh, earning a bit of revenue from YouTube and that kinda motivated me to, to, to, to start doing something.

It was only like a couple of dollars per month, but it was like, wow, it's magic internet money. Uh,

so, so that, that kind of motivated me. And then I tried English and I tried Revit and uh, it just exploded from there. I just did one video and it got I think, like 8,000 views in, in four or five months. And for me, that was, I.

Crazy. And then I did a few more and a few more, and a few more, and it got to a point where the channel was getting about 10 to 20,000 views per month. And, uh, I was very excited and I was doing this part-time job and, uh, for free. And I, I decided to quit that and do, try to do that, uh, daily upload. And that's what really kind of grew the channel and, uh, established Balkan architect as a, as a, let's say, as a recognizable name.

Evan Troxel: So I am curious what. then, you said you

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: as

the future.

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: didn't agree with that because of the

constraints that you

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: but I think also through learning how to master a tool, it does kind of open up opportunities and, and, and as a teacher of that software, you're, you're maybe even showing like future, you will be able to do these kinds of things if you put in the work to get

there. And so

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: curious if, if that was really the driver for really focusing on that content. Obviously you were getting

feedback from the audience as well, like, oh, I'm getting a lot of views on this software, and it's helping you make decisions around the type of content to deliver.

give us some insight into that side

of it?

Milos Temerinski: Yeah. I, I felt like Revit had this, I, I felt like Revit was only limited in terms of the modeling. it?

perhaps sounds weird, but, uh, '

Evan Troxel: because that's,

what it's

Milos Temerinski: Yeah,

Evan Troxel: right? Is the

Milos Temerinski: Yeah,

Evan Troxel: so

Milos Temerinski: modeling,

software, but yeah. But, uh, I, I, it's also something to do with university where projects look very wild and it's not straight walls and, uh, flat roofs.

It's mostly like crazy things. And, uh, yeah. So, uh, I felt like, okay, so if I learn how to use this software, uh, later on when I get a job, I'm going to be so powerful. I can make these schedules and I can do all of the sanitation very quickly. I can make changes easily and all of that. So I, I saw the potential and, and then that's kind of what pushed me into exploring it even further.

And also there's that aha moment that we've mentioned. And, uh, I can live for that. And, uh, at some point I start, I stopped learning Rabbit because I needed it for, school and I started learning it just because I wanted to teach it. And. I kind of, I, I really enjoyed that, especially when I started making my first courses when I was like, okay, roofs in Rev, let's make a course on that.

And then I go through the all of the, the, the Autodesk manuals, and then I go through the forums and everything and I see like what everybody's doing and all of the different things that people are doing. Then I do my own testing. Okay, how can I do something different? Can I use this, this tool to get something interesting out of that somehow, or this or the other? So, yeah. it was, uh, a lot of that where, uh, I, I really enjoy kind of going really deep into a specific topic and then figuring out the best way to present that to a larger audience.

Evan Troxel: And that self-direction, I mean, is what leads you to content, uh, versus working in a

firm.

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: If it's, like, oh, okay, well we have all these jobs we have to do, and so there's not that time for exploration and experimentation. And then,

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: but, sometimes it's like, well, we really need to create this form.

really difficult to like nights and weekends then for

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: looking for that

stuff, which just starts

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: the batteries and the morale around

because you're not getting paid

Milos Temerinski: yeah,

Evan Troxel: Right? And, and, but

Milos Temerinski: yeah,

Evan Troxel: expectation. And so it's, it's pretty interesting. Like you actually had the insight there to say, okay, I need to step away from this so that I can do this.

And then that self-direction, that curiosity that you have just around a generic topic like roofs, right? Because, okay, well man, there's a lot of different roofs

out there that we, you can

Milos Temerinski: yeah.

Evan Troxel: around in the, in the downtown and be like, okay, well how can I make that one, how can I make that one?

how can I

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: And then you can start looking at top tier design firm. Forms and say, okay, well how can I do that one? How can I do that one in the software? And then it just leads you down this path of exploration that you then get to share with an audience. I, it's a, it's pretty, it's pretty cool how that works.

Milos Temerinski: yeah.

Yeah. And, and it's also, uh, I think it's you, when you spend that extra time, uh, researching a topic, uh, it feels very good when you can, uh, gather this collection of solutions and just go, bam, bam, bam, bam. Like, okay, so there's a solution for this and a solution for that. And, uh, because it's, it's very hard, uh, as, as you mentioned, like when you're working on a job and you, you have to finish something, you have, uh, deadlines, uh.

Uh, the difference between, let's say AutoCAD and Revit is you go from this where you can, you kind of just do lines a little bit different and you get to that shape. Whereas in Revit, you really have to find a completely different approach that's completely, that's not really intuitive compared to anything else that you've done so far.

So sometimes it feels like, yeah, like what are you working on? Like this roof. Didn't you do that yesterday? Yeah. So what did you do since then? Nothing. I, I found like six wrong solutions to this and yeah. I'm, I'm working on it. So it feels really good when you can, can help people avoid that and people really appreciate that.

Uh,

Evan Troxel: to the

right work around.

Milos Temerinski: yeah, exactly.

Evan Troxel: like, like modern software is just a lot of work rounding,

right? Like that,

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: new verb, but it's, that's what it is. And, and so because the capability's not there yet, but we still need to

deliver, we still need to

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: Uh, and, and so I mean, that, that does become like these tougher problems that you're trying to solve in the typical software becomes an art form in itself

of, of finding

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: and then implementing these workarounds.

Uh,

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: it's also the bane of the people who come behind you, right?

When they have to

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: fix that thing or modify it or something. And it's like, well, how did, and then they have to reverse engineer it somehow or, or start over.

Yeah. It's a, it's

Milos Temerinski: Yeah. I, I

Evan Troxel: in the industry.

Milos Temerinski: definitely, I, I feel like a lot of people see this as, I guess creativity, being drained out of architecture, but I think It's just a, different kind of. Creativity. it's more technical in a way, but also kind of my view towards architecture has changed a lot since, uh, school.

Evan Troxel: Hmm.

Milos Temerinski: Uh, I, I feel like at school they're, they're really forcing this idea of, uh, architecture being art and, uh, architects being these mostly misunderstood artists, uh, who can't get their work published or built.

Uh, and, um, I, I think through, I, I think there's a huge place for art in architecture and I think it's, it's wonderful. But they also think there is this kind of technical side where there are actually problems with housing and it's, it's not so much yet there can be art in terms of the facade and in terms of, let's say the, uh, the aesthetic of it.

But the technical side, we just need. Buildings being built, and we need to find the, the most, um, affordable technical solution to that. And, uh, I feel like that's an art of its own just to, through software to find those solutions and, and, and deliver.

Evan Troxel: I think an another dimension to that too is that in order to get those projects built, mastery of the technical side of, you know, the technology is super important,

right? Because that

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: how the projects are drawn and

delivered,

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: figured out like how, how do you make those constructible.

Through

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: And, and so I'm, I'm curious, your position on enhancing your skills, building on your technical software skills, unlocking levels of creativity. I

mean, is that something

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: do you think about that?

Milos Temerinski: Yeah, definitely. I, I mean. I, I feel like I'm doing very creative things when I'm in Revit. And,

uh, it might not feel that way. Like you're just going through parameters and, okay, should we use a formula here? Or how do we filter down the schedule? Do we create a shared parameter for this or whatever?

How do we create this interesting material? But yeah, I, I, I find tremendous kinda creativity, uh, in all of that, especially now I'm working with a, uh, with a small team. And then when you can go kind of back and forth. Okay, so what's your idea on this? While I, I tested out something a bit different and it's, it's, it's really fun and, uh, Yeah.

I, I, I, I, I don't think like my creativity or my creative outlet suffered because I'm more on the software side of things and not on the designing, uh, part of things.

Evan Troxel: Yeah. I, the, what came to my mind, so bear with me here for a second. This may be super weird. I mean, there's this attitude and I, this, we've seen this in software and architecture forever, which is. You know, the going into technical debt, like fi, like the bandaid today helps us solve the problem today. Um, we're just going into debt for, you know, three weeks from now when we actually have to do it for real, or we have to undo it or we have to deal with the way we did it today then.

Um, and because the, the analogy that comes to mind is like the movie industry, right? Um, I'm a huge fan of like the behind the scenes, you know, how did they do that? Um, special effects or filmmaking in general? back, back when I was learning, like right outta college, late nineties, a lot of software stuff I was doing a lot of 3D modeling and visual, you know, movie making, fly-throughs, but also I started to get into visual effects and I would go, I lived in LA and I would go downtown to.

Kodak Theater where they would have masters of CGI come in and show like, how did they do this, you know, thing in Phantom Menace, how did like teach me about rotoscoping, teach me about camera mapping and all of, you know, matte paintings and all these kinds of things. But there they were, transitioning to digital right from, from film was just, I loved it.

I ate up everything that I could about it and, and, and even today, you can go on like Disney Plus's streaming Channel Station and, and you can look at like I the ILM documentary and it's a multi-part documentary of how Industrial Light Magic made the Star Wars movies

and, and other things.

Milos Temerinski: wow.

Evan Troxel: Go

ahead.

Milos Temerinski: Yeah, I just say, wow, like I, I didn't know about that. I'll have to check it out.

Evan Troxel: cool.

Um, because, and, and my, my roundabout way of getting to the point is, is just like, um, everything is a

hack, right? Everything

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: magic. This is what we called movie magic, right? You, they would use miniatures to shoot this scene and they would use blue screen or green screen or camera, you know, motion tracking or whatever it was.

do whatever they needed to do. And this kind of works its way back into YouTube with like Adam Savage's tested channel. He worked at ILM back in the day, right? And so he was a model maker. And, and so it's all about like doing whatever it takes to

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: shot. And architecture is much like

that.

It, it has

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: right? It's like, well hack it, like, okay, fake it. Everything is like, just, just, you'll know, draw a field region

over that, right? Like mask it

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: right? And, and, and it's like that, that there's a certain elegance to that. Problem solving, uh, way. And then there's other people who are like BIM managers and Revit, you know, they, they, they pros and they know how to do everything and they're rolling their eyes and they're like, I can't believe you did it like that.

And, and it's like, well, we went through architecture school, right? And where you would rip the wall out of the

model and it was better.

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: Or you, you know, it was, who cares? Like cut it off with a pair of scissors. It's not even a clean cut, but it's like, okay, now I, now that model really sings or

whatever.

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: there's, there's kind of this parallel to this film

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: and, and so I'm curious like from a. A hacky point of view when it comes to software and just making it look right, just because like ultimately we deliver

drawings that just have to look

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: that really that, and until later, like I'm sure we're accruing some technical debt for when it actually needs to be built, or we didn't realize we were covering up that stuff that Oh, it, it all moved.

And the, the, the mask is still

there. Right. The field region

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: still in the same spot as where we drew it and now it's

not. Right. Right.

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: and so there's this, now there's this tension, this fight of like, there was like the promise of bim and this is something I'm sure you're aware of, like BIM is dead.

Like we're seeing this

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: Right. Um, it's because there was this promise and then like there was this lack of ability to actually get, because of

the technical prowess that it actually takes to get to the point where it can deliver on all of these different dimensions. And so like we're hackers by nature.

Architects are kind of hackers by nature, like, right. And then there's this kind of really technical side of things and doing things quote unquote right. And best practices and all of these things, like, I just went off down this huge tangent, but, but I'm, I'm curious from your point of view, you're teaching people and you're evolving things

over time too,

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: kind of teaching a, a future version.

You're, you're saying this is who you could become by learning this software with these technical abilities that you can literally like get through watching you on YouTube. Um, and there's just kind of like these fights and these disconnects happening along the way and there's all these different levels on the spectrum of, of technical ability in this very complex software.

Like,

like I'm just curious

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: all

that. Uh, let me just dump

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: do you

think about it?

Milos Temerinski: No, no. I, I think it's, it's, It's a great analogy with the film industry and also I, I think the yeah, as you mentioned, the, the Vim is dead. Uh, people like this, this whole idea. I think it's just people were really optimistic because architecture, construction, it's always such a mess.

Evan Troxel: Hmm.

Milos Temerinski: Always has been, and

could possibly always be.

Uh uh, and people kind of felt like, okay, so we have this. New technology, it's coming in and it's going to streamline everything. It's going to make everything kind work like on a, in a factory conveyor belt, and it's all, all, all going to be perfect, no errors, no issues. And it just didn't turn out that way at all,

Evan Troxel: really the

Milos Temerinski: eh?

Evan Troxel: Lucy version of the conveyor belt where she just starts eating

the food as it's

Milos Temerinski: Yeah,

Evan Troxel: down because she can't process it fast enough.

Yeah, exactly.

Milos Temerinski: yeah, yeah, definitely. So, I, I think it's just because the construction industry is so diverse and the, the building industry and every building is different. Every building requires, uh, something different. So you can't really have a kind of streamlined approach. Like you can do it for, um, some sort of like prebuilt.

Stuff that's gonna, just gets assembled and then you can avoid a lot of issues. But that, that's only part of construction. Like, uh, everything else is, is a thing of its own, a life of its own. Each project, especially larger projects. And you may build like a small factory just to do certain something, some construction element for a specific project.

So, uh, I just think the, the fact that each project is different, we cannot have this streamlined, uh, approach. Uh, and perhaps we're going into that direction, but we're definitely still, uh, far away from that. And of course, the, the fact that you can, uh, and in the end you still need to give somebody a drawing, uh, so that, uh, the, the output kind of.

Um, pushes you in the direction of using these little hacks and as you said, filled regions just to hide things. Obviously, when we go to, to, to a point where the deliverable is actually a BIM model, you can't do some things, but also you can do a lot of other things that are not, uh, kind of according to the agreement or what somebody would, uh, consider a, uh, a kind of a complete project.

I mean, it's, it's one of the reasons I I I, I try to avoid, uh, most freelance work, uh, when. Somebody reaches out, okay, we have this project, it needs to be LOD 200. And yeah, you just do it. Uh, I, I always feel like the, the possibility for, uh, for miscommunication is so large. Uh, uh, I am, I'm always very, uh, kind of fearful of taking on that project and just defining everything.

Okay. So we have to go through everything. How do, how do we model this? How do we model that? What is the deliverable? How should that look like? Uh, what should be included? What kind of parameters we use? Um, just kind preparing. That almost takes as much time as executing the actual project in, in Revit.

And, uh, it's just not fun.

So I, luckily I don't have to do it, so, so I don't, but Yeah.

it's, uh, it, it's just part of the industry where we're at Right.

now. And, uh, I think we're far away from. That dream that we were promised.

Evan Troxel: I think that is a, that's a great Yeah. That it, that, that I think is a, one of the biggest reasons why the quote unquote BIM is dead. Right. Is, is you're talking about right there. Just the amount of. Positions time, you know, and by positions I mean like

staff to do

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: of things. It's like there, we never used to try to have to figure out how we were going to represent this thing in

3D the

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: when the deliverable was a set of drawings, right?

And, and what's what's interesting is like we're still delivering the same thing right now. Like, we're not delivering models for the most part, right? Like, of course, models get thrown over the fence with all kinds of disclaimers, uh, uh, attached to

them, right?

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: the liability and all of those things.

Um, but, but we're still delivering the same thing as we were when we were drawing it on paper the agency for review, for approval. For the contractor, for the most part to build from, which is actually not even true. It's like actually the shop drawings, which is the whole set of drawings that comes after our set of

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: Right. Um, and so I think what's, what's so curious about this is like, uh, this is, this is why there's an uproar about this, right? It's, it's like, well there's, we're, we're just spending more time doing the same thing, right? And we have to hire new

people that are all these

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: to do these things, to push the buttons in the right order and to fill out the parameters correctly and to know, understand formulas and all of this kinds of stuff for the same

thing, right?

So we're

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: more time and resources to do the same thing, and the fees are

lower.

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: like,

Milos Temerinski: yeah,

Evan Troxel: it's, uh, we never lived up to, or we never met. The expectation of the promises that were originally handed out and have evolved to become even more complicated over

time is

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: quotes of the right way to do it, because it's just gotten way, way more complicated.

And, and so now people are spending time in software. They don't even like spending, don't even like

using it. Right? And,

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: I'm sure you hear otherwise from you're teaching people and they're like, oh my gosh, this just unlocked something for me. And I now I actually enjoy it again. Um, there there's gotta be there.

There's again, like there huge tension. And so I'm just curious, like you've, you've now you've kind of defined yourself, your business.

Your

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: around this piece of software, that's really complicated. I mean, how, do you go from

here? I mean, do

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: what you're doing? Like, or, or how, I mean, obviously you don't have to, like, nobody has to stay in the same business that they're in.

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: else. I'm just curious from, have you started to think about that? Or, or, you know, you hear things like, BIM is dead and that's what your, your livelihood is based on, is teaching people how to use these tools. So like, I'm just curious from kind of a, a

bigger

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: point of view.

Like where, where do you see things going and, and how are you responding to it?

Milos Temerinski: Yeah. Uh, I did get a little bit afraid when the AI hype.

Evan Troxel: Mm-hmm.

Milos Temerinski: at its peak, like, okay, is this, am I being outsourced to, to ai? Yeah.

Uh, but I did, uh, I did try to ask JGPT to, to, to explain something in, in Revit and, uh, to just something very simple to, to teach me how to do, and it failed miserably. So that kind of,

uh, made me feel a bit better.

Yeah, yeah. Uh, but yeah, in terms of the, in terms of the business, so we've, uh, recently, so this year we're just doing the, the first group right now, we became an Autodesk authorized training center. And, uh, that means we can provide an Autodesk certificate, uh, once the students finish the course, and also we can provide private software for the duration of the course so they don't have to buy the software if they're just learning.

Uh, so that's, that's something new. And this allows us to, um. On one hand, it allows us to, uh, do these groups. Uh, and it also pushes us in that direction just because that's part of the roles that Autodesk gives us. We need to do, have, we need to have some one-on-ones or some live sessions with the, uh, with the participants of the course.

And, uh, this is something that I've enjoyed very much, and, uh, just doing these, uh, both doing the live sessions, but also preparing the course and just doing it, uh, uh, at a higher quality that they've done, uh, previously just because, uh, we can charge more of it because of the certification. And that means that, uh, I can spend a lot more time and try to make it the best possible learning, uh, solution for somebody.

So, uh. For a while I was thinking, okay, so next I need to do Dynamo and I need to do some advanced BIM stuff, and I, I need to get into coding. Uh, like for example, what Gavin is doing right now and, uh, that, that just, uh, I, I kind of felt I need to go into that direction, but he realized there's so much more room to grow just for the beginners in terms of providing the best, um, the best, uh, learning experience for them.

So, uh, I, I realized that yeah, let's, let's just focus and do this one thing perfectly and then we can expand from there. Uh, and, uh, yeah, I, I. I think it's also, it has to do a little bit with how I started on YouTube with those daily uploads. I, I felt like I always needed to do more and more and more and more and different in order to stay relevant.

But now when I see, like, when I focus just on the very simple beginner things, people and I, if we do them better than ever before, people resonate really well with that. So currently the, the, the goal is just to, uh. Create the best possible learning experience for beginners and then kind of grow with them and then do some more advanced things

and just do more of that personal touch and that, uh, one-on-one.

Uh, we do consulting, for example, I don't do it. Uh, a colleague of mine does, uh, she's an, uh, authorized or she's a certified instructor and people are really happy to have that ability to call somebody up, jump on a zoom call, let me access your computer, let me show you on your computer how to solve the particular issue that's giving you kinda headaches for, for days.

And that has been really powerful. So, uh, uh, also I feel like that's something that AI will not be able to replace. Soon. So, uh, yeah, that's, that's something that I, I, I like to, I, I, I would like to explore and also just going from a solo creator, a i, I always felt like I was going to be like a solo freelancer.

I have all of this freedom and, and all of that. And that sounded, sounded really fun. But after four years of that, it kinda felt a little bit empty. And also I saw many limitations, and that's, that's when I decided to actually start hiring people and form a company. And just now, like my fun thing is just running this company and, uh,

putting out fires.

And sometimes it's frustrating, but it's also really fun. And I, I guess it's some sort of growth. So, uh, that's what I enjoy.

Evan Troxel: Well, you've, you've transitioned from working in the company, being, being the, the creator to working on the

company. Right? And

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: this responsibility with these staff members

that you've hired

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: company and offer these different training solutions and consulting and all these things.

And strategically, like you have to make

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: And that's so hard to

do when

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: in architecture, right? It's like, well, I, the, the project is like this, this one way street, and it's this narrow, and these are the blinders, and I have to get to the next deadline so that I can get to the next deadline, so that I can get to the next deadline.

What do you mean work on the practice? Like who has

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: that? Right. I mean, it's a, and, and so to, to your credit, like you saw that with the future of architect, the channel, the platform,

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: all those kinds of things to be able to more

people. I think that,

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: Scale with doing what you're doing at some point becomes part of the

conversation. And, and

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: obviously scale and like on the YouTube side is one thing, but now getting people started on the right

foot, getting the right

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: under them to, to really leverage the tools so that they can take their skills, their practice to the next

level

Milos Temerinski: Hmm

Evan Troxel: a, is a big deal.

How do you do that? Well, you have to, you have to actually step away from creating the stuff to having a team

that can do that so that it

Milos Temerinski: mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: in the way that you're talking

about.

Milos Temerinski: Yeah, it's, it's completely different when, and I, I, I constantly find myself, uh, arguing with myself like the, the, the creative me is arguing with the, uh, boss me, who is also arguing with the company owner, me. And it's, it's all, all of these kind of personas that each one of them has their own interests.

And, uh, I have to kind of find a way to, to, to, to, to make peace between all of them.

Evan Troxel: they each have their own

office in, in

Milos Temerinski: I know.

Evan Troxel: just

inside your head? Everyone

Milos Temerinski: Yeah. That's just,

Evan Troxel: room

Milos Temerinski: yeah.

Evan Troxel: head. Fun. Well, where can people find out more about what you're offering, what your

platform is all

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: and how they can connect with you to, to where they can go to learn more?

Milos Temerinski: Yeah. So balkan architect.com, uh, definitely the best place to go. Uh, we're now doing a big redesign, so the website is going to look a lot nicer and be a lot more?

functional, uh, and the, and the following month or two. Uh, so yeah, that's, I think that's where people can learn pretty much everything, what we offer, uh, what we're all about.

And yeah, if they want to get started on their Revit journey with us, that's, that's where they should go.

Evan Troxel: And there's lots and lots and lots of previous

content to

Milos Temerinski: Mm-hmm.

Evan Troxel: on the Balkan Architect YouTube

channel. And, uh, I'll put links to those in the show notes. Nilo, it's been a fun conversation. Thank you for

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: to share the journey that you've been on. I mean, when did the Balkan Architect actually get started?

Was it, it was like 2018 as far as

like

Milos Temerinski: Yeah, something like that. Yeah.

Evan Troxel: but even getting to that point, like it took years, right? You, I think you said you started YouTube in 2014 ish. Is

that what you said? So.

Milos Temerinski: So. I started learning Rev in 2014. Uh, but yeah, it, it took I think over two years until the channel like really became

something.

Evan Troxel: And, and now

Milos Temerinski: Yeah.

Evan Troxel: resource for everybody. I mean, it's just, thank you for doing that. I mean, it's, it's very, it's very cool that, that our profession has people like you doing the things that you're doing and bringing this content to, to others. So appreciate it. This has been a fun

conversation.

Milos Temerinski: Yeah, it, it, it has been really fun Uh, it was really nice talking to you. Uh, I love talking to, to people in the, in the industry, especially like this, doing different things. So I, I love the fact that you're doing a, a podcast on this. I think it's, it's very powerful and yeah. Uh, it, it was really interesting.

Evan Troxel: All right. next time.